archjimmy
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07/28/08 23:39
MAD, you drive me mad
Did a look at Yongsong Ma (the partner of MAD) on Sci-Arc's lecture video site. the lecture is on March 2008.
http://www.sciarc.edu/lectures_archive.php (click the panel right-aside on year 2008).
the entire 72:41 mins lecture is about his new book, , and the whole book is made up by two parts, 50% is filled with the articles by the persons he invited, and the rest is about his repeated-undergoing-funny projects.
another thing I get shocked is about his English skill and careless wording. Does he spent his entire two years all in pubs in New heaven? His presentation skill is full of gramma mistakes and his wording, sometimes very easy-to-be misleading.
1. when he talked about one of invited guest in his book, Yimou Chuang, he introduced him as the man who directed "Hidden Dragon, Crouch Tiger". I guess this would piss of An Li, who is the actual director, and embarrased Yi mou as well, since he has no interest to steal An's masterpiece, how careless it is?
2. when he talked about how he accomplished 100 competitions cases in one year, he is sort of showing himself. We all know, the quantity always has nothing to do with the quality. also, on that year, he is still "nobody", and tought in a Chinese art design school, hired a lot of students and interns to finish his funny ideas. And these great 100 cases, mostly from inland China, committed by the commercial clients, set to aimming for the entry-fee. So 100 is just a number, does not mean anything, if does, that is means the way to survive.
3. when he talked about the reason why they decided to premake the house in Shanghai and ship to Denmark, he reponded like this: China is all in a low-qaulity, cheap cost, and mess up situation. Yes, that is ture, the construction situation in China is not so optimistic these days, but China do has some high-quality and good-control construction firms like Zhongjian (in charge of CCTV headquarter), and they do tons of good jobs. also, I hope he did not expel Hongkong outside. Maybe, it is better to put some word like "SOME SITUATION IN CHINA" in your reponsible speech. Weird point is, if you really do give less credits to China, why do you choose to premake that funny house in Shanghai?
4. when he talked about his pround 800 meters highest building competition in Guangzhou, he said he knew before this entry that MAD is not going to win, so they decided to play. What? you want to put that sort of attitude in the serious project? So if you do not want to win this competition, why do you want yo attend? I hope you refuse to recieve the entry fee, and I guess I am wrong, you get it in seconds. And the theory about that highest building, is funny: to bend a 800 meter high building into two 400 connected loop? it is not a highest building anymore, and I do not think any thing new here. Compare to eissenman's loop highrise or OMA's CCTV. nothing new and nothing need to show off.
5. Talking about the Qingyun Ma, he said Ma is a person of less interesting of design, actually, Ma knows more and cares more design than mostly does. Also Ma is a good critical to chanllegn the Problems and try to redefined them. While, MAD's job has nothing to do with the design and nothing to do with the Problems.
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MAD, I am very sorry that I could not wait to enjoying your entire speech on my computer, since the smell of my coffee on the table is better than yours.
If you want to sell your funny book, go to Amazon and open a free marketplace and lowdown the price, maybe someone would come by and take a look. But, before you make a contact with ACTAR next time, try to remind them that how much funny the content is, and make sure that deserve 50$. I could talk to the person you invited one by one, since most of them are not from architectural area and I could get their opinion through google, and also, your funny projects, as another 50% of the book, I could visit your webpage for free if I want to. So why do I need pay for 50$ on your Dinner book, sort of information-collected without not any "secret recipes".
MAD, if you want to sell your ideas, you should sell them in a high-school lecture room because the Sci-Arc lecture room should be the dam-good place where both the lecturers and audiences get informed and inspired. I guess I just do not get it, about the essence of your design. When I was in US,UK,EU,China, you always made the same speech, the same slides. There is nothing new, we do not see any new stuff in your design and you know I am not talking about how many projects you would collect next year. You simply has not formed your own identity and you even could not distinguish yourself from Hadid style, you just repeated your projects in every presentation in every place.
MAD, if you want to do sth really leading, do you best, do not be so hasten to be famous, you are still too young to stand on that postition. that is too heavy for you. The reason why you showed no-confidence in your lecture is because you do not have too much left in your head. you know and we know. But that is not an issue, the issue is your real applause and rewarding would come to you when you are ready for it, BUT before that, I would suggest you calm down, do sth innvotive and do sth creative. no more copy, no more paste.
Guys, if you want to give a furthe understanding of how good MAD is, go and visit his website by google.
But if you want to know how Dam-good the other less-wellknow chinese architects are, please goes here,
those architects, they are quiet, they are in a peace, they may not have too many interesting or chances to speak too much in public, but they always feel confident, and they do real design.
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MAD,你把我逼疯
看了马岩松在南加州大学的讲座，讲座是08年3月的
http://www.sciarc.edu/lectures_archive.php
整个72分钟的讲座是关于他的新书，整本书由两部分组成，50%都是他邀请来的作者文章，剩下的是关于他那些经常重复的有趣项目
另一个让我惊到的是他的英语水平和粗乱的用词。他难道是在NEW HEAVEN的酒吧度过他那两年的留学生活么？他的演讲过程中充满了语法错误，而他的用词，有时候会非常容易被误解。
1 当他说道他邀请的那些人的时候。张艺谋，他竟然介绍是卧虎藏龙的导演。哈，我想这会让李安这个真正的导演很生气的。而张艺谋也会�到，因为他绝对没有兴趣偷走李安的力作啊。多不注意！
2 当他说道他如何在一年中完成100个投标竞赛时，他有点在炫耀。我们知道，数量通常和质量无关。同时，在那一年，他还P都不是，仍然在一所中国的艺术设计院校教书，雇佣着许多学生和实习生来完成他那些滑稽的想法。这100个方案，多数是在中国大陆，由那些商业甲方主导，做也是为了标底费。所以这100个只是数字，什么也不能代表，如果非要说是，只能说明一种生存的方式。
3 当他说道为什么他决定在上海做完房子然后海运到丹麦时候（指在丹麦建筑中心的展览），他这样回答，中国完全是一种低质量，低成本，乱作一团的状态。是的，这也许是事实，建造工艺的状况在中国仍然不是那么乐观的。但要知道，中国有一些具有高质量完成和良好控制的建筑公司，如中建（他可能把水立方的公司搞错成CCTV了），他们也完成了大量的出色工作。同时，我希望马不要把香港剔除出中国。也许，你应该换一种用词，比如 中国的一些情况。因此，奇怪的事情是，如果你真的绝对中国一无是处，为什么选择在上海预建你的有趣房子呢。
4 当他说到他骄傲的800米广州的最高建筑投标时候，他说他知道在参加竞赛前他们不会中标的，所以他打算玩玩。什么？在严肃的建筑设计中，用这种态度做事么？如果你不想赢，你做什么？我真希望你参加也别拿这标底费，但我想我一定错了，你拿的比谁都快。而这个高层建筑的理论也很滑稽，让800米高的建筑弯曲到2个400米高的循环中去？那这还是最高的建筑么？而且，这个理论和新很牛么？比较一下EISENMAN的循环高层和OMA的CCTV吧，你这个东西这根本没有什么可骄傲的。
5 说到马清运，他说，马是一个对设计没什么兴趣的人，实际上，马在设计层面投入的关心和关注比大多建筑师都多。同时，马对具有批判性的挑战及其在行，他能找到并重定义那些实施中的问题（比如在宁波的一些项目中，他采取了非1 2层平面的施工图方法，而改用组件式的施工图画法）。呵呵，MAD的工作才真的是与设计毫无关系，与设计问题也毫无关系。
6 MAD，我非常抱歉不能继续在电脑上听你的讲座了，因为我的咖啡都比你的讲座香。
如果真的想卖你那有趣的书，请去AMAZON开一个自由市场，降低的书价，也许还有些人会来路过看看。但是，在你下次跟ACTAR（西班牙著名出版社）联系之前，记得要提醒他们，到底内容有多有趣，并且确定它们的确值50USD。我可以一个一个跟你邀请的那些人聊聊，搜搜GOOGLE就能得到他们的想法，因为他们几乎都不是来自建筑领域。同时，你那些有趣的方案，另外的50%，我可以去你的网站上免费看，只要我想。那么，我为什么要付50USD去买你这本 晚餐 呢，这只是简单的信息收集，并没有什么 特殊的配方。
MAD，如果你真的想卖你的理念，你应该去高中讲座，因为南加州的讲堂应该***给人灵感和信息的出色的讲堂。我想我并没有从你的讲座中感受到，你的设计精华。我在美国英国欧洲中国的时候，我总是能看到相同的讲座，相同的幻灯。没有什么是新的，你知道，我不是在说你的新设计项目，以及你明年收集的新项目。你只是没有形成自己的特色，你甚至不能和ZAHA风格相区分，你只是到处重复你的方案罢了。
MAD，如果你真的想做些真正的领导性的工作，做最好的，不要想太快的成名。这样的位置对你的年轻来说过于沉重了。你在讲座中之所以显得没有信心，是因为你脑袋瓜里并没有什么东西。你知道我们也知道。但这不是问题，问题是当你真正准备好的时候，真的掌声和奖赏会自然来临。但在这之前，我建议你冷静下来，做些有创新和创意的事情，不要再复制粘贴了。
兄弟们，如果你们想进一步知道MAD有如何好，请去搜索他的网站
但如果你们想知道还有一些不那么有名的中国建筑师做着什么更出色的工作，请去，，，，，，，，，，，，，，
这些建筑师，他们相对冷静，他们更为平和，他们也许也没有太多兴趣和机会在各种公众场合讲座，但他们更有自信，因为他们做着真正的设计。
